Comments on: CCIE Lab Interviews? http://blog.ine.com/2008/08/28/ccie-lab-interviews/ Helping you become a Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:47:55 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: blog » Twitter Trends http://blog.ine.com/2008/08/28/ccie-lab-interviews/comment-page-2/#comment-110924 blog » Twitter Trends Sat, 22 May 2010 04:22:50 +0000 http://blog.ine.com/?p=241#comment-110924 <strong> ...</strong> Flashback: ... …

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]]> By: Darby Weaver http://blog.ine.com/2008/08/28/ccie-lab-interviews/comment-page-2/#comment-110922 Darby Weaver Sat, 22 May 2010 03:28:58 +0000 http://blog.ine.com/?p=241#comment-110922 Well the OEQ have come and gone for the CCIE RS and Voice. It's still around for other tracks - not for long - I had to ask for it. I did. I got the answer this week. It's under consideration. Now the $1000.00 CCIE Lab is on the table. Well the OEQ have come and gone for the CCIE RS and Voice.

It’s still around for other tracks – not for long – I had to ask for it. I did. I got the answer this week. It’s under consideration.

Now the $1000.00 CCIE Lab is on the table.

]]> By: James Janicki http://blog.ine.com/2008/08/28/ccie-lab-interviews/comment-page-1/#comment-99629 James Janicki Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:11:57 +0000 http://blog.ine.com/?p=241#comment-99629 Then again, the opposite could be true. - I paid too much for it, but it’s worth it. - Samuel Goldwyn 1882 - 1974 Then again, the opposite could be true. – I paid too much for it, but it’s worth it. – Samuel Goldwyn 1882 – 1974

]]> By: Petr Lapukhov, CCIE #16379 http://blog.ine.com/2008/08/28/ccie-lab-interviews/comment-page-1/#comment-89826 Petr Lapukhov, CCIE #16379 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:11:56 +0000 http://blog.ine.com/?p=241#comment-89826 @Darby, To me it seems the braindumping issue mostly affects the "Configuration" section of the new exam. I was hoping they made the troublehsooting section tickets dynamically generated (thanks to the large topology and independent tickets). That's a obvious idea to implement, but I dont know if Cisco really did that. Of course, we could only hope that the OEQ question pool is large enough to prevent memorizing from ever becoming issue. However, personally I think OEQs are the worst way to deal with the braindumpers, as they introduce really high chance of failing an "innocent" person. @Darby,

To me it seems the braindumping issue mostly affects the “Configuration” section of the new exam. I was hoping they made the troublehsooting section tickets dynamically generated (thanks to the large topology and independent tickets). That’s a obvious idea to implement, but I dont know if Cisco really did that.

Of course, we could only hope that the OEQ question pool is large enough to prevent memorizing from ever becoming issue. However, personally I think OEQs are the worst way to deal with the braindumpers, as they introduce really high chance of failing an “innocent” person.

]]> By: Scott Morris, CCIE #4713 http://blog.ine.com/2008/08/28/ccie-lab-interviews/comment-page-1/#comment-89803 Scott Morris, CCIE #4713 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:21:22 +0000 http://blog.ine.com/?p=241#comment-89803 Except for the fact that the passes actually came at the end of October/beginning of November... And some more have come in December. :) And the fact that many little details of the lab were updated/fixed/changed in early December. And the fact that people are studying v4 materials and learning the v4 "mindset" from training (both self-paced and bootcamp) now.... But I'm sure none of those could have lead to the passes. Must be dumps. ;) Post hoc ergo proptor hoc. Scott Except for the fact that the passes actually came at the end of October/beginning of November… And some more have come in December. :)

And the fact that many little details of the lab were updated/fixed/changed in early December.

And the fact that people are studying v4 materials and learning the v4 “mindset” from training (both self-paced and bootcamp) now….

But I’m sure none of those could have lead to the passes. Must be dumps. ;)

Post hoc ergo proptor hoc.

Scott

]]> By: darby Weave http://blog.ine.com/2008/08/28/ccie-lab-interviews/comment-page-1/#comment-19166 darby Weave Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:12:06 +0000 http://blog.ine.com/?p=241#comment-19166 Yes, the new interview questions are the least of a person's problems. Wait till the candidates who prepared using topologies and configs they may or may not have memorized are no longer present on the lab at all. Unless of course they fail or are perceived to have failed the verbal portion of the lab. 1. Real Candidates get the Real Labs 2. Candidates who failed the verbal get the what the labs they expected to see aka the "memorizes labs". I think its a total work of art. FYI - Cisco spent a good little penny about 6-7 months ago putting together a think-tank to make the late "memorization-proof". The biggest problem presented was how to stop anyone from simply memorizing one or more portions of the lab exam. So... 1. The Interview - Verbal. 2. Give the cheaters what they expect to see - They already failed the lab anyway. 3. Give the Real Candidates a Real Lab - They did not come with pre-conceived notions and so they will never know the difference in the first place. This means: 1. The gunmen or people who try to pass by memorization will shake their heads wondering why they failed. 2. The Real Lab Candidates will either pass or fail and will be none the wiser. 3. The lab exam will maintain its integrity and standing as the premier un-cheatable certification exam in the entire I.T. industry and the value of the CCIE is maintained. I think it is pure genius. Yes, the new interview questions are the least of a person’s problems.

Wait till the candidates who prepared using topologies and configs they may or may not have memorized are no longer present on the lab at all.

Unless of course they fail or are perceived to have failed the verbal portion of the lab.

1. Real Candidates get the Real Labs

2. Candidates who failed the verbal get the what the labs they expected to see aka the “memorizes labs”.

I think its a total work of art.

FYI – Cisco spent a good little penny about 6-7 months ago putting together a think-tank to make the late “memorization-proof”.
The biggest problem presented was how to stop anyone from simply memorizing one or more portions of the lab exam.

So…

1. The Interview – Verbal.
2. Give the cheaters what they expect to see – They already failed the lab anyway.
3. Give the Real Candidates a Real Lab – They did not come with pre-conceived notions and so they will never know the difference in the first place.

This means:

1. The gunmen or people who try to pass by memorization will shake their heads wondering why they failed.
2. The Real Lab Candidates will either pass or fail and will be none the wiser.
3. The lab exam will maintain its integrity and standing as the premier un-cheatable certification exam in the entire I.T. industry and the value of the CCIE is maintained.

I think it is pure genius.

]]> By: Chris-Wallace.com - Web Designer and Developer http://blog.ine.com/2008/08/28/ccie-lab-interviews/comment-page-1/#comment-18562 Chris-Wallace.com - Web Designer and Developer Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:02:15 +0000 http://blog.ine.com/?p=241#comment-18562 [...] a verbal interview portion to its CCIE lab exams across the world. Cisco confirmed that it is running a pilot in its exam lab in Beijing, China that involves candidates taking a 10-minute verbal interview as [...] [...] a verbal interview portion to its CCIE lab exams across the world. Cisco confirmed that it is running a pilot in its exam lab in Beijing, China that involves candidates taking a 10-minute verbal interview as [...]

]]> By: NetworkWorld: CCIE Lab Interview Pilot « CCIE Pursuit Blog http://blog.ine.com/2008/08/28/ccie-lab-interviews/comment-page-1/#comment-18457 NetworkWorld: CCIE Lab Interview Pilot « CCIE Pursuit Blog Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:25:50 +0000 http://blog.ine.com/?p=241#comment-18457 [...] Cisco, Cisco Certification, Internetwork Expert, Network World Back in August of last year, Internetwork Expert posted an interesting email on their blog concerning the addition of a brief interview to the CCIE lab in Beijing, China.  I [...] [...] Cisco, Cisco Certification, Internetwork Expert, Network World Back in August of last year, Internetwork Expert posted an interesting email on their blog concerning the addition of a brief interview to the CCIE lab in Beijing, China.  I [...]

]]> By: nil http://blog.ine.com/2008/08/28/ccie-lab-interviews/comment-page-1/#comment-15121 nil Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:02:06 +0000 http://blog.ine.com/?p=241#comment-15121 I am agree with "NTllect says: in general, it is a good idea, but there is lots of caveats: 1) how clearlry measurement will be; 2) don’t forget, that not every succefull engineer is fluent english speaker; etc. Once again, human test is worthy of attention and 40 Vinu sharma, Don - says: " <b> i would like to say one thing proctor is human and if his/her mode is not good at that time then the candidate will suffer :( <b> I am agree with “NTllect says: in general, it is a good idea, but there is lots of caveats: 1) how clearlry measurement will be; 2) don’t forget, that not every succefull engineer is fluent english speaker;
etc.

Once again, human test is worthy of attention
and
40 Vinu sharma, Don – says: ”


i would like to say one thing proctor is human and if his/her mode is not good at that time then the candidate will suffer :(

]]> By: Chandu http://blog.ine.com/2008/08/28/ccie-lab-interviews/comment-page-1/#comment-11074 Chandu Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:58:31 +0000 http://blog.ine.com/?p=241#comment-11074 I'm curious to see if Cisco will provide a statistic on how many people who signed up for the lab couldn't pass the interview. Even funnier would be Cisco implement this process in the state and have more people failed the interview then anywhere else in the world.. I’m curious to see if Cisco will provide a statistic on how many people who signed up for the lab couldn’t pass the interview. Even funnier would be Cisco implement this process in the state and have more people failed the interview then anywhere else in the world..

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